I have got Thomas Hunt b. 1816 married (1856) to Ann Hounslow b. 1816/ d. 1856. I believe that Thomas might be remarried to Dinah Oliver in 1856 after his 1st wife died.
Re: 'one of the sons of Phillip and Minnie is George Oliver 1895', in reply to this I've added some content to a thread titled 'Phillip and Minnie Oliver and family, Grandson Terence, Canada, Newspaper cutting'...
Just one last memory for this evening. In the picture you have posted of the Black Head, the house on the left hand side of the picture was where Norman and Beryl Barret lived with their children Geoffrey, Susan and Denise. Behind the wall was an orchard which produced wonderful tasty, juicy apples each year. Anyone else remember that?
If you go up to the Fanny Hunt (nee Oliver) information (almost at the beginning of this thread), one of the sons of Phillip and Minnie is George Oliver 1895. There was a George Oliver who lived down Combe Road who looked a lot like Cyril Oliver. Unfortunately I can't remember George's wife's name (although I can picture her!). They had two children, Roy and Kathy. Roy married Peggy and they had one daughter, Susan. Kathy married Frank Styles and they had two daughters, Shirley and Jennifer (both born in the 1950's). I think Kathy and Jennifer were at the Oliver Family History Day last year, because I think I recognized them on the video clip I watched.
If this is the right George Oliver you may be able to complete another branch of this Oliver line.
I'm amazed that you are able to put this information together and realise that the son who was Nathan for a few weeks was actually Edward for the rest of his life. Incredible! I had not been able to get any further back in this family line than Edward and Lydia so was quite taken to find that my great great grandparents were Mary and Joseph. I might use that information at a party someday!
Thanks for explaining about Nathan/Edward, Shane. I would never have been able to work that out by myself.
How we know that 'Nathan' is actually 'Edward' is really because that's what all the surrounding records tell us.
At the time of the 1851 census which was taken on the night of the 30th March Edward was just two weeks old and at that time its would seem that Mary and Joseph we planning to name Edward, Nathan.
This however is the only reference to Nathan anywhere.
On the 11th May 1851 we know from the original Stonesfield parish registers that an Edward Oliver, son Joseph and Mary, was baptised.
Then the (1861 missing for Stonesfield) 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 census records, Edward's marriage certificate to Lydia in 1875 and Edwards death certificate in 1931 all correspond to an 1851 birth.
We can then add to the picture that there is no further trace of a Nathan Oliver born 1851 in any other census, marriage or death records.
So Edward was known as Nathan to his parents for just a few weeks but by the time of his baptism he was the Edward we know as our Great Great/Great Grandfather.
That's great that the Hedley/Mabel Barrett line has been completed, and with confirmation from different sources.
Question: In the census information you have posted about the Hunt family you mention that John and family were living next door to Joseph and Mary Oliver who are the parents of "Nathan". You then go on to say that Nathan is "Naughty Edward" who is also my great grandfather. How did you know that Nathan came to be known as Edward? Was Edward just a nickname? Also, whereabouts in the village were they living?
As always...answers seem to bring up more questions. (Thanks for all the answers and pictures you provide.)
Great to welcome you here to the website - and thanks for bringing your 'Barrett family' knowledge to the messageboard.
Re: Married after war but I cannot find a record yet. 2 children she remmebrs, Michael and Angela.
That all seems to add up perfectly with some information Barb had located and some records I've just found:
A marriage of: Dorothy M Barratt and Michael A Robinson, Apr-May-Jun 1949, Chipping Norton
Then the birth registrations of: Angela M Robinson, Jan Feb Mar 1950, Chipping Norton, Mother's Maiden Surname, Barrett, and, Michael H Robinson, Jan Feb Mar 1952, Chipping Norton, Mother's Maiden Surname, Barrett
So the complete picture of Hedley and Mabel children and Grandchildren looks like this I think?
Just coming back to you on the discussion about Margaret's link to Patrick, son of Bernard - essentially I think Barb was spot on, you both have the same 'Hunt' Great Grandfather x 2, who is Thomas b.1791.
Here's how I think the link looks in a little colourful diagram:
There are a couple of dates and names still required on the diagram but I think that's basically it.
By way of some additional information on the two brothers, Thomas b.1817 and John b.1828 here are some census snippets:
Thomas 1851
Thomas 1871
Thomas 1851
Thomas' 1871 and 1891 occupations are clear enough, Shoemaker, however the 1851 occupation took me a couple of minutes to figure out, its actually 'Cordwainer' - if like me you'd never heard of this term google it for more information.
John 1851
John 1871
John 1881
We see John also working as a Cordwainer in 1851.
On a personal note I spotted that John and his family are living next door to my own Great-Great Grandparent's Mary and Joseph Oliver, and their two week old child, recorded as Nathan, is actually my Great Grandfather, affectionately known as 'Naughty Edward'.
Then in 1871 and 1881 John is recorded as a Farmer and Publican, the 1881 census details that this was at the Black Head Inn.
Just whilst we're in the topic of the Black Head, here it in circa 1910-1930.
According to my mother, Dorothy married Michael Robinson. She worked at solicitor and Michael at bank (in Charlbury I think she said) and both joined army when war came. Apparently he was one of the first allies into Belsen.
Married after war but I cannot find a record yet. 2 children she remmebrs, Michael and Angela.
Thank you for coming back to me. I guess Patrick is related.If so would love to get in touch. I will however wait upon the Master...Shane for his opinion.!!
Yes John Hunt 1828-81 was bro.to Thomas Hunt 1816-1891.myGt.Gr.pa .
Will be in touch later. All the best, Margaret Grace
I've been looking at your family tree for a few days now and have been trying to work out if you are related to Patrick Hunt. I think you are. If your great grandfather Thomas Hunt (1816-1891) is the brother of John Hunt (1828-1881) then their father (? Hunt) is both your great great grandfather and Patrick's great great grandfather as well.
I don't know if Shane can verify this as it's not the "Oliver" line. but I hope this is correct and that it helps.
Hi Shane and Barb, ref . to Canada 09.01.2011 post141.
1. My Gt.GD2.Thomas Hunt 1816-1891 ______________________________ His Nephew
2. Nephew Henry Hunt 1860-1934 MD Fanny Oliver 1860-1947 His sons 3. John Hunt 1890-1910 NFI after that...emigrated to Canada 4. Bernard 1902-1994
Would be interested to know if any info via Barb re John /Canada. My brothers are also John and Bernard Hunt!! Thank you so much for all these delicious "snippets". Margaret Grace
Dear Shane, What a lovely surprise to find so much posted re above ..so early in the New Year!
I do have the photo's of Henry Hunt 1860-1934 & family but on a strip..so very pleased to have a proper" family picture" plus all the others..where did all the photo's come from?
My connection to Henry = My grandpa.2.Thomas Hunt 1816-1891 = His Bro John 1828-1881 ( my Gt Uncle 2) MD Anni Maria Davis 1836-74 ( son Henry 1860-1934) MD Fanny Oliver etc.,
Patrick Hunt has to be related to me.?Any help appreciated as always.
Also must look up Elizabeth Thornett MD ThomasOliver as my Grandma was Matilda Thornett.MD Fred Hunt
What a super posting ..as always ..from you and others..
I am so pleased to have other family...it gets more interesting and exciting by the minute thanks to your hard work Shane and of course the input of other people.
Hi Barb, thanks very much for that, brilliant! - I think I can assure you that your memory is serving you very well as I looked up a number of the names you recalled for the grandchildren of Mabel and Headley and it was all spot on.
Here they are in tree format:
Dorothy doesn't drop out of the records quite so easily, there are one or two possibilities but nothing that looks quite right just yet - a bit more seraching required.
This family line down from from Fanny is coming togther very nicely.
Good Morning Shane. Yes, I remember Hedley Barrett and his family. Norman Barrett lived with his wife and family at Charity Farm (I think it was called) by Hanks' Corner (Hanks' shop) and across from the where the bakery used to be. He had 3 children: Geoffrey, Susan and Denise.
Mary Barrett married Ron Evans and they still live at the top of Peakes Lane across from what was the Salvation Army meeting place which later became "The New Shop" and now is just a private residence, I think. Mary and Ron had 3 boys: Roger, Johnny and Tim.
Dorothy was not living in Stonesfield when I was there, but I have a feeling she was married to the manager of Barclays Bank in Woodstock in the 1960's.
Also, Hedley Barrett remarried. I think his 2nd wife was Elsie Griffin (whose 1st husband was Arthur Griffin) who lived by the chapel at the bottom of Churchfields.
All this from memory, so can't guarantee that everything is correct, but if you contact just one member of this family they will be able to give you the correct information.
Thanks Barb, yes I think it sounds like Pat would be a good contact for more information on this branch - I'll see if I can find a route to him.
I have a good few photograph's of Oliver and associated named graves in Stonesfield, and I don't always know where they fit until times like these and we start looking down new family lines - and suddenly a photo all becomes clear.
Shane, I'm really impressed that you had a picture of the gravestone and managed to post the family tree so quickly! I had no idea that Pat's grandmother was also an Oliver. If you haven't already contacted him, he might be a good person to get in touch with to find out more about that branch of the family.
Yey, firstly, welcome and great to see you here on the messageboard - especially good as I've now been able to add Canada to my 'Where are we now?' section!
I think you could be spot on regarding Bernard, and as if by magic, here is that very gravestone inscription:
I can see from the records that there certainly was a 'Patrick W Hunt' born of a Hunt/Davis marriage, in 1947. Then I also see a marriage of 'Patrick W Hunt' to a 'Susan E Grimsley' in 1969.
I wonder if those dates and names also match with your memories Barb?
Here's how that all fits into the tree?
Welcome again and just feel free to pitch in or add anything new at anytime. Shane
I've been following the Oliver Family History for about a year now and find it absolutely fascinating. I'm the granddaughter of May Harris (nee Oliver), and spent the first 20 years of my life in Stonesfield. I'm wondering if the Bernard Hunt (b.1902) in this picture is the one I remember from the 1950's. The Bernard Hunt I remember lived in the house at "Hunt's Corner" (opposite the shop and hairdressers) and had one son, Pat. Pat still lives in Stonesfield. On his father's grave is the inscription "A Stonesfield Man" which I have always liked.
A little while ago as part of this message thread we identified the family line of Fanny Oliver who we know married Henry Hunt in 1889.
Well, I'm pleased to update this thread with some more information that takes us on in her life from after her marriage.
In fact I have located something rather special; a wonderful family photo graph, and here it is is:
Included in this photo taken in 1918 just after the end of First World War are (left to right) Bernard, Annie, Fanny, Ted, Henry, Mabel and Ronald. Missing from this photo is a sixth son John who is another Oliver who the photo states emigrated to Canada.
So, the children were: John Henry Hunt, b. 1890, Stonesfield Francis Edmund 'Ted' Hunt', b. 1892, Stonesfield Annie Maria Hunt, b. 1895, Stonesfield Mabel Hunt, b.1897, Stonesfield Ronald Hunt, b. 1900, Stonesfield Bernard Hunt, b.1902, Stonesfield
Here are the family is 1901:
Here are the family is 1911:
I'll dig into the children's lives. marriages and children more later however we do know that Henry and Fanny are buried together in Stonesfield.
Henry passed April 25th 1934, aged 75 Fanny passed March 21st 1947, aged 87
Another fabulous Oliver photo though that were privileged to see.
David Oliver 1765-1799 MD Elizabeth Barrett 1771 -1844 Their son George Oliver 1795-1874 MD Mary Ann Rowles 1802-1881 Their Daughter Dinah Oliver 1834-1905 MD Thomas Hunt 1816-1891 (2nd wife) Their Son Fred Hunt 1860-1949=my Grandfather!! -------------------------------------------------------- Thomas 1st wife=Ann Hounslow/Hunslowe/ wonder if their is connection to your Mary Hunslowe 1680-1721 MD Josiah Oliver 1675-? -------------------------------------------------------- Fanny Oliver 1860-?(da.of John O/Jane Tidmarsh)MD Henry Hunt 1860-1934 I believe he was related to Fred Hunt..cousin possibly..have to confirm.
Researching both parents in tandem!!still!!but will persevere? All help most gratefully rec'd.Always felt we were connected!. Margaret Grace
I do believe that you share a family connection with Irene, in fact I believe you share a family connection with all of us here as everyone here goes back to Josiah (1676) and John, and that's really where my own research goes back to.
Here's a little piccy that hopefuly illustrates where the connection is and where your's and Irene's family lines split:
Sorry Margaret, I don't know your line down from Dinah but I'd be happy to add it in if you wanted to share it.
Does that picture make sense?
Glad you're enjoying the site, please feel free to chime in with any questions or comments here on the messageboard
I think the links here could be two Oliver ladies marrying into the Hunt family?
1 - Dinah Hunt nee Oliver b. 1834 2 - Fanny Hunt nee Oliver b. 1860
Dinah Hunt nee Oliver b. 1834
As illustrated below Dinah was the daughter of George and Mary Ann (nee Rowles), she was born in Stonesfield, married Thomas Hunt in 1859, who was also from Stonesfield and was previoulsy married I believe. They continued to live in Stonesfield and from the 1871 census it looks like they had 4 of thier own children. Thomas died in 1891 and Dinah in 1905. An interesting family link here is that Dinah was the sister of Edwin b1826 and Edwin is where the whole Welsh branch begins, from which we know a number of descendants.
Fanny Hunt nee Oliver b. 1860
Again, as illustrated below Fanny was the daughter of John and Jane (nee Tidmarsh), she was born in Stonesfield, married Henry Hunt in 1889, who was also from Stonesfield. They continued to live in Stonesfield and from the 1901 census it looks like they had atleast 4 of thier own children.
An interesting family link here is that Fanny was the sister of Philip, who with Minnie had several children, descendents of which attended the Family History Day (i.e. Cyril Oliver, down through Terry Oliver for example.
We've discussed Philip and his family elsewhere on the message board so I can reuse that diagram:
So, Margaret, do you come down the lines from Dinah and Thomas, or, Fanny and George?
Newbie `Margaret Grace` has made contact. I do not think I can take her line - as I concentrated on the Finstock side of the Family. Perhaps you could assist? I will reply to her e.mail though.
