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ancient rowman wrote:

 Hi to you Shane and Christine. I have uncovered a few facts about Auntie Evelyn that may not be known about.Although I knew that she had been widowed quite young I did not know any of the details. Unlike Mollie, Mabs and Gladys she probably didn't meet her husband at Burley in Wharfedale. Wherever she met Uncle William{Bill} London, they were married in his home town of Scarborough in 1930.He was about 16 years older than Evelyn and had been seriously gassed in the first world war and sadly never completely recovered,passing away in 1948.Intriguingly he had an elder sister Isabella whose married name was Swales.I wonder if anyone knows if this was the same family as John Swales,whose widow Uncle Charles married in 1948[the same year Uncle Bill passed away.]Incidentally Isabella was something of a mystic and broke down in tears during the day that her brother Bill died bemoaning his death news of which didn't reach her until that evening.kindest regards to all.getting ready to hibernate if the snow comes...... Phil


Hi Phil,

With thanks to their Grandson Michael Swales, I'm pleased to be able to add pictures off Isabella Reed Swales nee London and her husband William Alfred Swales:

isabellaswalesneelondon.jpg  williamalfredswales.jpg

Then fantastically, we have a picture here of William Thompson London (husband of Evelyn London nee Oliver, and Isabella's older brother).

In the picture he is with his mother Isabella Reed London nee Thompson, I guess its taken around 1905ish, Wiliam/Bill looks ot be aged 14 or 15 perhaps?

williamthompsonlondon.jpg 

Thanks,
Shane



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Well, the prefab style bungalows in which Evelyn and Bill London inhabited have all but disappeared from Lisvane Avenue.

Whether in memory to a time gone by or in protest by the current occupants, now just 'one' bungalow stands:

lisvane_3.jpg

And I must add, with Lisvane Avenue being in an elevated position, turn just a corner or two and you get a fabulous view out across Scarborough Town and over to the castle:

lisvane_4.jpg

Thanks!
Shane



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Hi Phil,

I will take a look into the Swales question and come back, in the meantime here are one or two bits that you might be interested to see about Bill London, whose full name was William Thompson London.

First, here is his birth registration:

Name: William Thompson London
Registration Year: 1891 
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 
Registration district: Scarborough

wtlondon1901.jpg

The above is then an extract from the 1901 census, Bill/William is now 9 and we can see two further children, Isabella 5 and Jane Ann 3.

Here are their birth registrations:

Name: Isabella Reed London
Registration Year: 1895
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Scarborough

Name: Jane Ann T London
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Scarborough

There mother Isabella is from Scarborough, but we can see their father is from Norfolk, per the above he is a Grain Merchants Warehouseman.

We can then move on to the 1911 census:

wtlondon1911.jpg

One of the most interesting things about the 1911 census is that it was the first to be filled out by people themselves rather than the enumerator.

Here we can see Bill/William is now 19 and working as a Coppersmith, and his father working as a Marine Engineer.

The census also detailed the address, 20 Princess St, Scarborough, and here is the house today (lighter blue door):

wtlondon1911house.jpg

Another new thing covered by the 1911 census was detailed how long a couple had been married and how many children they had had in total, and then splitting that into those living and those that had died.

wtlondon1911children.jpg

So we can see that Bill/William actually had two further siblings, and from the birth records we find the following:

Name: George Thompson London
Registration Year: 1893
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Scarborough

Name: George Hollis London
Registration Year: 1901
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Scarborough

Sadly, we can then find the following death registrations also:

Name: George Thompson London
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Registration Year: 1895
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Scarborough

Name: George Horace London
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Scarborough

We saw Bill/William and Jane Ann on the 1911 census above, but where was Isabella in 1911, well the below shows us:

isabella1911.jpg

Isabella, aged 15, can be found working as a waitress at her Aunt and Uncle's Restaurant, at 40 Newborough in Scarborough.

Then of course the marriage to Evelyn in 1930:

Name: William T London
Spouse Surname: Evelyn Oliver
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1930
Registration district: Scarborough

And finally, as you mentioned Phil, his death in 1948, just 56:

Name: William T London
Birth Date: abt 1892
Date of Registration: Mar 1948
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Scarborough

We see the name Thompson crop up quite a bit with the children, and it's their parents marriage registration that helps us understand where that comes from:

Name: William London
Spouse: Isabella Reed Thompson
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Scarborough

Hope some of that might be new and interesting.

Thanks
Shane



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 Hi to you Shane and Christine. I have uncovered a few facts about Auntie Evelyn that may not be known about.Although I knew that she had been widowed quite young I did not know any of the details. Unlike Mollie, Mabs and Gladys she probably didn't meet her husband at Burley in Wharfedale. Wherever she met Uncle William{Bill} London, they were married in his home town of Scarborough in 1930.He was about 16 years older than Evelyn and had been seriously gassed in the first world war and sadly never completely recovered,passing away in 1948.Intriguingly he had an elder sister Isabella whose married name was Swales.I wonder if anyone knows if this was the same family as John Swales,whose widow Uncle Charles married in 1948[the same year Uncle Bill passed away.]Incidentally Isabella was something of a mystic and broke down in tears during the day that her brother Bill died bemoaning his death news of which didn't reach her until that evening.kindest regards to all.getting ready to hibernate if the snow comes...... Phil



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