Shane. I wonder if the couple of prefab bungalows were deliberately saved so that knowledge of them wouldn't be lost. if so well done someone. Even by the early 1960s they had long passed their expected life span. I remember them being hot in summer, all windows open at night and cold in winter. Its just drifting into my memory that I think Auntie Evelyn moved from there to a flat more in the centre of town. She worked for awhile in a shop owned by the man who was captain on the pleasure steamer Caronia which was based at Scarborough. I did meet cousin Evelyn but don't remember meeting her brother George London. I did get to Auntie Evelyns funeral with my brother Chris. Mollie didn't go with us as sadly she was sinking into dementia by then... regards .....phil
Re an earlier posted photo of granny Oliver with Uncle George,Mollie, Evelyn,Gladys and Mabs, all in their best clothes which prompted a comment about the family being comparatively well off, has opened another chapter in my memory.Granny Oliver was a more than competent dressmaker and probably made all the childrens clothes. Mollie remembered that their best Sunday dresses and the boys outfits had not to be played in and had to still look as good as new when outgrown and handed on to the next eldest.Consequently for quite a while Mollie always had the ''newest'' dress. When she was about 8 or 9 one day home lands their mum with some new dress material. mollie asked what style etc her new dress was going to be, only to told .''no Mary, this time I am starting with the youngest and you shall only have a new dress if there is any material left after all the others have their new dress made''.Olgas memoirs clearly state how they all adored their dad, but reading between the lines with his hard work and illness it would be their mother whose word was law at home.Im sure this was vital with such a large family, but later helped foster an independent nature , at least in the girls. It must have been unbelievably hard for granny Oliver bringing up the younger children as a widow, with all the older girls marrying comparatively soon after moving to Burley in Wharfedale.Up to marrying the girls would send money home to help out ,but surely this would stop when they married. Certainly none of the four eldest girls were ever homesick enough to return to WH to live... best wishes to all ....Phil
. First at a house on Hatterboard Drive and later at a prefab bungalow at 18 Lisvane Avenue.
I wonder if it was a prefab bungalow like this Phil? It's looks like these two built in the 1940's are last two on Lisvane Avenue and the others have all been replaced now.
Also, I'm sure it didn't go unmissed at the time but Evelyn lived on Lisvane Avenue, which was attached to 'Evelyn Drive' at one end!
'we used to get the card table out and Mom and Dad would have Shandy and Michael and I a chocolate' 'Tea pots washed , table cloth shaken and off we went' 'My dad would always sleep through it , the shouting , cheering etc' '''B****r my rags to h**l'
Loved reading through these last few posts, certainly smiling now, absolutely brilliant!
Just thought. Heather Jemison if you are watching postings here ask your mum if she remembers these records and a trip to Robin Hoods Bay in about 1956....Phil
Hello Christine and Shane.Up to me being about 16 or so we often went to stay with Auntie evelyn at Scaborough. First at a house on Hatterboard Drive and later at a prefab bungalow at 18 Lisvane Avenue.Young Evelyn married by then had left a radiogram at her mothers with I think only 2 78rpm records.... Butterfly by Andy Williams,,,and Only You / The Great Pretender by ?????????????.my introduction to pop music which endures still.... Mollie loved to listen later to my records particularly 24 Hours From Tulsa........regards to all Phil
Oh Shane.Do I not remember those days.The earlier mentioned sunday visits in either direction always ended up with playing cards.Tea pots washed , table cloth shaken and off we went. My dad would always sleep through it , the shouting , cheering etc. Games were new market and one called double rummy which always took a fair bit of time. Evelyn some times came over to stop so that was one more in the game.At our house my brother George and his wife Audrey came and joined in...All played for coppers ..honestly.. mum and I would always go to my brothers on Saturday nights week in week out and played cards ; some other complicated games the names of which escape me.But inevitably other interests dragged me away on Saturday nights. but one sat night I remember we were there playing cards when dad called in to tell us his mam, my granny Ferguson had passed away.Back then although we all had televisions it didn't seem to be the life support machine it is now. another anecdote for you to perhaps have a smile about....Saturday teatime ,checking the football results,mum would be listening for the Hartlepool united result. when they lost she without fail sighed and said....''well uncle George will now be saying ''B****r my rags to h**l.''.......Words often repeated by Uncle Ernie if he lost at the end of a long drawn out card game.......Why it only seems like yesterday.
Nice to hear that Aunty Gladys' children are loving the website, I remember cards was always popular amongst the brother and sisters, Uncle George used to visit us and we used to get the card table out and Mom and Dad would have Shandy and Michael and I a chocolate bar while we played.
Christine.
-- Edited by Chris on Tuesday 20th of January 2015 02:19:10 PM
re likeness of mollie to Emma Nina. just wonderithe 3ng Shane if you ever compared the last pic of Mollie to the third of 3 on the picture gallery trio of Emma Nina.Spooky...Phil
Sorry it took a while to do this Phil, I think this the spooky similarity you were referring to! Agreed!
HELLO SHANE CHRIS AND ALL OTHER FAMILY...IHAVE JUST BEEN BROWSING THE BURLEY IN WHARFEDALE WEB SITE AND IT HAS JOGGED MY MEMORY ANREAWAKENED SOMETHING I HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT SINCE BEFORE WE LEFT DENTON IN 1954/5. A NEW BY PASS HAS RETURNED BURLEY TO BEING A MUCH QUIETER BUT STILL LARGE VILLAGE. NOT LONG AFTER IT WAS BUILT A MEMORIAL WAS CREATED TO A DOZEN OR SO CANADIAN SOLDIERS WHO WERE KILLED LATISH ON IN WORLD WAR 2 WHEN AT NIGHT A LORRY THEY WERE TRAVELLING IN FAILED TO TAKE ,SORRY EVEN SEE , THE RIGHT ANGLED BEND AT THE BOTTOM OF MAIN STREET OUT SIDE ST MARY'S CHURCH AND DROVE STRAIGHT INTO A HOUSE WALL. MAKING THIS A DOUBLY SAD ACCIDENT IS THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ALL MEN WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN WOUNDED IN ACTION, AND WERE BEING RETURNED TO THEIR UNITS...THE WHOLE OF DENTON HALL ESTATE WAS REQUISITIONED IN THE WAR BY THE CANADIAN MILITARY MEDICAL CORPS AS A HOSPITAL AND RECUPERATION CENTRE.WHILE NOT ACTUALLY NURSING THEM MOLLIE AND MANY OTHER VILLAGERS DID WHAT THEY COULD TO HELP THE CANADIANS WHO INCLUDED MANY WOUNDED IN THE SAD DIEPPE RAID. SHE ONLY TOLD ME ONCE WHEN I WAS VERY YOUNG THAT SOME OF THE MEN KILLED IN THE ACCIDENT CALLED TO SEE SEVERAL OF THE VILLAGERS TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR HELP IN THE EVENING BEFORE THEY LEFT. MOLLIE EVEN HEARD THE LORRY LEAVING LATER THAT NIGHT AS IT CARRIED THEM TO THEIR SAD DEATHS. THIS BRINGS TO MIND AN EPITAPH I OFTEN READ ON A CANADIAN AIR MANS GRAVE OUT SIDE THE OLD COASTAL COMMAND AIRFIELD AT SILLOTH.....''.ENGLAND; DO NOT FORGET IT WAS FOR YOU THAT I STAYED''.
re likeness of mollie to Emma Nina. just wonderithe 3ng Shane if you ever compared the last pic of Mollie to the third of 3 on the picture gallery trio of Emma Nina.Spooky...Phil
Re: the 'On War Service badge' I wonder if you know that in 1916 there was also a badge introduced specifically for Women i.e. munitions workers, it was triangular with a pin fastening on the rear rather than a button hole fastening - I was just wondering which version of the two your family momento is?
Hello again Shane.Although I had not seen theScalebor Park films before I frequently check up on the Burley in Wharfedale site wher I often find pictures and topics entered by people I haven't seen since 1968.Nearly all my school and girlfriends have all stayed there all their lives.My dad was born there and after a difficult childhood of which more later, he married mollie and soon moved to the little village of Denton nr Ilkley to work as chauffeur to Mrs Arthur Hill at Denton Hall.Denton is alittle cul-de sac village and is still very quiet to this day.Dad was frequently away for long periods with Mrs Hill and because of his Rolls Royce driver mechanic qualifications was called up at the very start of the war. My eldest brother recalls what a lonely life it was for our mum, Mum had enough and by 1954 we moved back Burley.Ihave vivid memory of Granny Oliver staying at Denton once and of mum taking her turn to go to .Hartlepool to nurse her mother.I have mentioned to Christine that the only family memento of mums parents is a badge I found in mums button box when we broke up her home.It is an''on war service'' 1916 badge which civilian men were almost obliged to wear in ww1 to avoid being insulted for not being in the military. I can only assume this was granddad Olivers as my dads father passed away in 1911.Dad had a younger half sister Ida cawood nee ferguson who worked at Scalebor either until she retired or till it closed.After ww2 im sure mollie seldom saw her brothers and Christine mentions that her mother wondered why there were no other Olivers at their wedding.I never heard of any family fallouts so I assume it was just the inconveniene of travel etc.Mam and dad did visit Mabel in Paisley and Olga in various places round Essex.When I visited Olga and Vic shortly before Olga died she showed me lots of photos and things but I thought it innapropriate to ask what would happen to it after their day.How I wish now that I had asked.Auntie Evelyn may have had some things as geographically she was the closest to George in HARTLEPOOL. Perhaps her daughter Evelyn Graham or son George London. Perhaps Heather Jemison in Harrogate may know.It would be wonderful if Olgas sons could be brought into this community.I cant believe that what Olga had would be discarded by either of them.......back to the scalebor park videos... best wishes Phil
Oh wow, what fabulous pictures, thank you so much Phil for kindly sharing these, some beautiful and striking pictures there, and thank you Christine for posting them - we do need to see if we can zoom in on that one of you as a wee nipper though Phil
There is certainly a familiar 'look' in this family branch isn't there, with some very uncanny resemblances coming to light across branches that until recently were not even aware of one another, for example ...
