Had a look at the lovely pictures and videos Shane and the family have brought together.  So I wish to thank Shane for his hard work and time to put this together for all the Oliver family.

Mary Ann Oliver attending grave of her late husband George William.

Hi Shane. Just seen this message. I think you are right.Its probably Olga...More communication soon .

Hi Phil,

Interesting, yes I was looking at that also, I felt pretty sure it was one of the sisters on the far right, but I was wondered if it was Olga ??? ...

Shane

Hi Phil,

Please, you keep on watching, you keep on enjoying and you keep on listening to the stories and memories that the photographs are recalling to you, its an amazing thing that the images are able to create such of sense of feeling.

I actually located Andrea and her siblings just about a year ago and managed to make contact with Andrea, in fact, if you look a little further back up the thread here Andrea actually joined and posted here a couple of times back in January 2015, then it was almost a year later that Andrea kindly shared the photographs included in the video.

It seems Charlie was married in the same church as Christine:

Thanks
Shane

Hi Phil,

Really pleased you enjoyed that and thank you for letting me know, I was happy with how it came out and I felt it told the story of journey here nicely. Was especially nice to have been able to include Charlie as literally up to 24 hours ahead of its production no 'post UK' pictures were known - great thanks to Charlie's Granddaughter Andrea for sharing - I'm not 100% on the last picture, my thinking is also mid to late 1970's but I will try and find out some more and report back.

Shane

It's really quite something to look back at that first posting just over three years ago and to see how the stories and photographs within this line have gradually unveiled themselves into a lovely collection - and it's with thanks to all of the descendants who have kindly and generously shared their family treasures that I would like to share this little video both to those descendants and also the wider Oliver Family - I hope it might be enjoyed as much as I enjoyed making it - Happy New Year!

Hi Phil,

Super! thanks for confirming that, and nice to hear that it was a new photo for you that recalled just how you remember them all.

Yes, like you, these old photo's do always make me ask lots of other questions too, like you say, where was it, what was the occasion etc, and sometimes just simple things like, I wonder what they talked about that day, how they got to there, what they had for lunch! - I imagine it probably wasn't the height of summer when it was taken, with the jackets and cardi's and all...

Glad you enjoyed the pic, its a nice one!

Shane  

Here is another terrific photograph kindly shared by descendants within this family branch, but whilst some are clear is anyone able to confirm the identity all the folks? I have added my thoughts but would love to know if we can confirm..



Thanks!
Shane

Thanks for that Irene, please you enjoyed it, in no small part it was possible because you kindly shared a number of those photographs, so thanks again for that, it brought some lovely memories for you hopefully!

Hope all is OK down there in Colchester with you and John.

Shane 

Shane Bywaters wrote:

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Hi All,

During the last week a couple from within this family branch, Ronald and Olga Preston, have been celebrating a wonderful milestone, 60 years of marriage - many congratulations to them!

I don't have a photograph from their wedding day (unfortunately!), nor do I have a photograph of their 60th celebrations (unfortunately again!!)

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Hi All,

With great thanks to members of Olga's family branch I'm so pleased to be able to share the little 'Oliver Wedding Photo' montage below which includes pictures of Ron and Olga and helps mark their special occasion!

Thanks,
Shane

Hmm, interesting Phil, it may also simply be a red herring on the part of the records i.e. some transcription error or mix up in the records database. I suspect Mary, who is still alive, will be the only one who can confirm with complete certainly.

I have been able to squeeze one or two further pieces of information to the surface however.

Firstly, I was always looking for the name McKeller, but trying out some variants I discovered the correct spelling to be MacKellar.

So, armed with this I was able to find the following marriage record:

Duncan Mackellar and Elizabeth M Harrison (Oliver) Oct-Nov-Dec 1947 in West Hartlepool, so they did indeed marry before heading north.  
Note: Similarly to her marriage to Smith Wharton Harrison Mabel has registered the marriage as Elizabeth M rather than Mabel, which is the name her birth was registered in, Mabel Oliver.

Then, I located the following, the death registration of Mabel Mackellar 1995, Paisley, aged 82:

And then, the death registration of Harry Harrison 1997, East Kilbride, aged 62:

So that fills in one or two more gaps on dates etc.

Thanks,
Shane

Hi Shane.That is a surprise.I don't think any stirring of whats left of my grey matter will bring anything to the surface about Harry Harrison's possible second wife.I never heard mention of this before.If this  second marriage did happen in 1963,at that time  Mabs and Mollie were both still in frequent contact with each other and occasional visits to each other taking place. I was then of an age to be doing my own thing and never went to Paisley, and I never heard any mention of it. However ,I did get up to Harry's funeral with my eldest daughter Claire.A guess would be that it was about 1988/1991 time.I had never met Harry and it was the first time I met his [ex] wife  Mary. pretty sure there was no other wife there. Could be one of two reasons .was the second marriage a failure and Harry went back to Mary or in the intervening years the second wife died and Harry went back or maybe didn't go back to Mary and Mary was there at her ex husband's funeral.I've had no contact since I'm afraid.I cant accurately date his funeral but around that time I took Mollie to see Evelyn in a nursing home in Scarborough[their last meeting] and among  a great many things talked about ,including Harry and Mary,but again no mention of a second wife......Now that was what I call a good  plate of fish and 5 penn'orth.....Phil

Hi Phil,

Thanks! I'm pleased you've enjoyed a few of the snaps I've popped on here from my little whistle stop 3 day trip to the North East.

It all started 8am at the Angel of the North (Olga territory) ..

.. then through Sunderland and down the Durham Heritage Coast towards Hartlepool, stopping off a Seaton ...

.. first stop in Hartlepool was your Uncle George ..

.. then Heugh Battery Museum and Cliff Terrace ..

.. then into the centre of Hartlepool and the Hartlepool Museum ..

.. and HMS Trincomalee ..

.. then down towards Middleborough via some industrial scenery ..

.. stopping for a look at the transporter bridge (which was sadly closed) ..

.. south onto the Cleveland Heritage Coast and out to Marske by the Sea and Saltburn by the Sea where Stephen Oliver first moved to .. 

.. a little trip to what I understood to be the smallest Church in England at Upleatham (but actually it is not!) ..

.. past some snow on the hills ..

... onto Brotton and Skinningrove where Olivers mined for many years ..

.. onwards through some blustery coastline north of Whitby ..

.. and ultimately reaching Whitby itself, where ...

.. of course, Fish and Chips at the Magpie Café just had to be done ..

And that was Day 1!

Thanks,
Shane

ancient rowman wrote:

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 I'm pretty sure the other one was taken in the front garden at 40 Caxton Road ,Otley.

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 Hi Phil,

You were right about the photo of Gladys and her brother Ernest being taken at Caxton Road, here it is today (well, last week!):



And one of the highlights of the trip, meeting Gladys herself and her son Kevin:



Interestingly, the house in the background of the picture of Gladys and Ernest was lodged in by Ronald Preston when he was in Otley working for BT, and that's how he and Olga met, they of course married and moved to Ronald's hometown of Newcastle, apparently Olga's accent is now pure jordie - incidentally, this year Olga and Ronald will celebrate their diamond wedding anniversary, what a fabulous milestone.

Thanks,
Shane

Hi ...Just seen the newly posted photos of young Ernie ,and Gladys. I don't know where the seaside one was taken but I'm pretty sure the other one was taken in the front garden at 40 Caxton Road ,Otley.To kevin and Susan;you probably wont remember me.ImPhilip Hume youngest son of your grans eldest sister Mollie who lived in Burley.Ijust remember you Susan but don't think I ever met you Kevin. Could you remember our side of the family to your mum. Both my brothers George and Chris are still alive but sadly both lost their wives in recent years.George in particular knew your mum well many years ago.Ibelieve en ex girlfriend of his was a good friend of your mum's ..Vera Binns.George tells me she too passed away very recently.Probably less than a year ago nothing of the West Hartlepool branch of the Oliver family was known to this site and now cousins, and  second cousins from both sides of the Atlantic are coming together.Imsure we would all love to share any memories and photos you would care to post.Your mums comment about these woke up happy memories that had been dormant for decades....best wishes to you all   .........Phil

Hi All,

Below I have attempted to consolidate the various threads of information we've gathered recently as to the descendants of George William Oliver (b.1882) and his wife Mary Ann nee King.

Children (8)

Grandchildren (15)

Great Grandchildren (35)

Please feel free to call out with any additions, corrections, omissions, what middle initials stand for etc. The b.year, m.year and d.year are registration years.

Thanks
Shane

George Oliver b.1904 (Hartlepool), d.1997 (Hartlepool), Unmarried

Mary Ann 'Mollie' Oliver b.1905 (Hartlepool), d.1994 (Keighley) m.1927 Harry Hume (Wharfedale)

 George C Hume b. 1930 (Wharfedale) m.1954 Audrey Slater (Wharfedale)

  David Hume b.1957 (Wharfedale)

  Diane Hume b.1959 (Wharfedale)

 Christopher D Hume b.1938 (Wharfedale) m.1963 Diana Heaps (Wharfedale)

  Richard D Hume b. 1965 (Leeds)

  Stephen Christopher Hume b. 1967 (Wharfedale)

 Philip H Hume b.1946 (Wharfedale) m.1970 Kathleen Doran (****ermouth)

  Claire Hume b.1972 (Whitehaven)

  Janet Hume b.1977 (Whitehaven)

  Paul Hume b.1979 (Whitehaven)

Evelyn Oliver b.1908 (Hartlepool), d.1992 (Scarborough) m.1930 William Thompson London (Scarborough)

 Evelyn London b.1930 (Scarborough) m. 1958 Harry Graham (Scarborough)

  Heather Graham b.1960 (Scarborough)

  Ian D Graham b.1960 (Scarborough)

 George W G London b.1935 (Scarborough) m. 1957 Joan Devonport (Scarborough)

  Julie K London b.1958 (Wandsworth)

  Michael W E London b.1963 (Eton)

Gladys Oliver b.1910 (Hartlepool), d.1994 (Leeds), m.1928 Ernest Brotherton (Wharfedale)

 Gladys Brotherton b.1929 (Wharfedale), m.1947 Wilfred Norris (Wharfedale)

  Susan Norris b.1953 (Wharfedale)
  
  Kevin Norris b.1957 (Wharfedale)

 Ernest Oliver Brotherton b.1931 (Wharfedale) d.1999 (Leeds), Unmarried

 Olga Brotherton b.1934 (Wharfedale), m.1955 Ronald Preston (Wharfedale)

  Ian R Preston b.1956 d.1960 (Newcastle upon Tyne)

  Stuart D Preston b.1960 (Northumberland South)

  Lesley A Preston b.1962 (Northumberland South)

  Andrew Martin Preston b.1966 (Northumberland South)

Mabel Oliver b. 1912 (Hartlepool), d.?? m.1934 Smith Wharton Harrison (Wharfedale), m.?? Duncan McKeller (??)

  Harry W Harrison b.1935 (Wharfedale), d??, m.??

Charles James Oliver b.1918 (Hartlepool), d.1990 (Canada), m. 1948 Winifred M Swales (West Hartlepool)

 Denise Oliver b.1948 (West Hartlepool), m. ?? Rick Paxman (Canada)

  Kevin Richard Paxman b.1973 (Canada)

  Michelle Denise Paxman b.1976 (Canada)

  Andrea Charleen Paxman b.1978 (Canada) 

 Richard C Oliver b.1948 (West Hartlepool), m. Vicki ?? (Canada)

  Devin Oliver b.?? (Canada)

  Kent Oliver b.?? (Canada)

  Graham Oliver b.?? (Canada)

Olga Oliver b.1921 (Hartlepool), d.2012 (Essex), m.1948 Victor J Flack (West Hartlepool)

 Victor J Flack b.1949 (Edmonton), m.1973 Sandra G Watts (Brentwood)

  Sarah Therese Flack b.1977 (Birmingham)

  Toby Flack b.1979 (Brentwood)

 Colin W Flack b.1952 (Edmonton). m.1972 Jacqueline C Mabbett (Brentwood)

  Nicola Louise Flack b.1974 (Basildon)

  Vashti Nadine Flack b.1977 (Thurrock)

  Colin Victor S Flack b.1982 (Brentwood)

Frederick Emmanuel Oliver b.1924 (Hartlepool), d. 1968, (Staincliffe) m. 1954 Elizabeth Brown (Durham South Eastern)

 Christine Oliver b.1955, m.1976 Malcolm Casey (North Cleveland), m.1993 Karl Fraham

  Emily Casey b.1978 (North Cleveland)

  Louise Casey b.1980 (North Cleveland)

 Michael F Oliver b.1958, m. 1979 Lorraine M Wright (North Cleveland)

  Caroline Oliver b.1979 (North Cleveland)

  Kelly Oliver b.1982 (North Cleveland)

  Michael Leslie Oliver b.1983 (North Cleveland)

  Martin Daniel Oliver b.1988 (North Cleveland)

  Channelle Oliver b.1990 (North Cleveland)

Just another quick little record here that I located, sometimes these probate records can give some interesting new information, though to be honest I think we're quite fortunate in that most of the below is already known, though I thought I would post never-the-less:

Name: Mary Ann Oliver
Probate Date: 19 Mar 1954
Death Date: 12 Feb 1954
Death Place: Hartlepool, England
Registry: Durham, England 

Thanks,
Shane

I'm always beavering away in the background you see Christine

So, pleased that you joined us here Andrea, thank you for that.

You've already solved one mystery that was confusing me, Winnie Swales or Winnie Scott, actually both are correct of course as she was previously married before Charlie.

Re: John/Johnny Swales, there is a WW2 War Memorial in West Hartlepool at Victory Square which has the name John Swales included, I'm sure it must the same:

The above image (by John Dixon) and more information including a full transcript of names can be found here http://www.newmp.org.uk/detail.php?contentId=10776.

Look forward to hearing more Andrea as and when you have the time - great to have another cousin from this line join the party!

Thanks,
Shane 

Welcome Andrea to the website we have been hoping that Uncle Charles family will find the website.  I see that you are the third child of Denise.  Where are you all living now.  Shane will be so pleased that you have made contact through the website, the Oliver's descendants at Bower Street are a curious lot it  seems there are several of your distant cousins on here, Heather Jemison, Charles' Sister Evelyn's granddaughter, Phil Hume, Molly's third son, Me Christine, Fredericks daughter, you will see Charles and Fred together on Dad's own topic Heading, Frederick Emmanuel Oliver, Your Great Uncle George also has his own topic Sole Survivor of H49.  Would love to hear or see any pics you have of Charles and Winnie and yourselves.

They are buried at Herongate Wood Green Burial Site near Basildon.  Eventually the pasture land, when full, will be turned over to the Woodland Trust.

Found the ship Empress of Australia that Charles sailed in on 9 June 1953

Empress of Australia entered service as the De Grasse of the French Line. De Grasse was laid down as Suffren but renamed during a lengthy 4-year building period at Cammell, Laird & Co, Birkenhead. She operated on the CGT Havre-New York service until 1940, when seized by the Germans. De Grasse was sunk by gunfire at Bordeaux on August 30th, 1944. De Grasse was raised and refitted, re-entering service with CGT on her old route in 1947, now with only one funnel. She was transferred to the Caribbean service in 1952, and sold to Canadian Pacific as their Empress of Australia in 1953. The Empress of Australiawas bought by Grimaldi-SIOSA in 1956 and renamed Venezuela. Following rebuilding for their Italy-West Indies-Venezuela service, her passenger capacity increased from 664 to nearly 1500. Venezuela was lost in 1962, off Cannes

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Yes, that is my Uncle Vic, he led me down the aisle when I got married the first time in 1976.  I think that is Colin, the last time I saw him was when he got married to his first wife Jacqueline. I think this was taken after Olga had died, as I see black ties.  I think Olga died the Feb and Vic died 26 August 2012 same year.

Strathmore House is still in business I pass it when I visit my Mom in Hartlepool, did not know it was now a listed building.  The Westbourne Methodist Church is where  my mother's family the Fosters founded the church and were preachers there.

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-- Edited by Chris on Tuesday 6th of January 2015 02:39:42 PM

Its seems that 60 years later Strathmore House is still in the funeral business, its the Co-Operative Funeral Care now.

Its been Grade II listed since 1985, per the British Listed Buildings website, they say:

Villa, now used as funeral parlour, c.1880. Brick with polychrome bands and  dressings; Welsh slate roof. 2 storeys; 3-bay ground floor has bay windows  with rounded pilasters, leafy capitals, large carved consoles, and sashes. Right-hand window altered mid/late C20 and stained glass inserted. Central  doorway has mid/late C20 panelled double doors,with original sidelights and  segmental overlight, in quasi-Tuscan doorcase with panelled reveals. 5-bay  first floor has segmental-headed sash windows. Between floors: an  ornamental cast iron balcony across the whole frontage. Low-pitched  pyramidal roof with iron finial and rebuilt stacks to left and right. 2-bay  left return has sashes in segmental-headed openings. Mid/late C20 extension  to right is not of interest.



Then the cortege moves on to the Westbourne Methodist Church, as shown in this picture (circa 1964) from the 'Hartlepool History Then & Now' website:



Thanks,
Shane

Mabel Oliver, according the Vic's records, born 1912 died 16 November 1995.  Married a Smith Harrison and then divorced.  remarried Duncan McKellar. There was a son Harry Harrison and a girl called Mary.  After that the written trail stops.  Mabel son Harry Harrison lived with Granny Oliver while Mabel went on to work at Avro  aircraft factory

Charles James Oliver born 1918. married Winnie Swales .  Had two children Denise born 29 January 1949 (confirmed Hartepool Mail via Genes Reunited), who married a Rick Paxman.  Denise went onto have three children Kevin, Michelle and Andrea Charleen.  No marriage recorded for Kevin, but for Michelle married Bart Vanderbelt they went on to have a boy Wolfgang.

Richard born in 1951 married a lady called Vicki. 

Olga Oliver born 1921 died 2012.  married Victor John Flack.  they had two children Victor born 1949 and Colin born 1951. 

Victor married Sandra Watts, they had two children Toby and Sarah Therese.  Colin married then divorce Jacqueline Mabbet.  they had three children Nicola Louise, Vashti Nadine and Colin Victor Stephen.

Gladys Oliver born 1910 died 8 July 1994. married ernest Brotherton who died 1992.  They had three children Gladys Ernest and Olga.  Gladys married married Wilf Norris, Ernest (not record of marriage) Olga married Ron Preston.

Evelyn Oliver born 1908 died 1992.  married William London. they have two children Evelyn (b 1930) married Harry Graham (1935) and George married Joan.  Young  Devonport.  Young Evelyn had Heather and Ian and George had Julie and Micheael.

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hello Shane.my goodness .Such a lot of information in such a short time.How do you do it.It confirms that Mabel followed her sisters to Wharfedale,but at a time when Mollie was married and probably not working at Scalebor,as she had been married 8 or 9 yrs before her sister Mabel had Harry.Ive never heard anyone mention EVER that Mabels husband was from burley area.  I had assumed wrongly that with Harry being looked after in the war years by granny oliver ,while mabel was in uniform that she had married and lived in H'pool.As her husband didn't remarry till1947 perhaps they didn't divorce until the war was over.I am supposing again that Mabel met Duncan McKellar during or just after the war and almost immediately moved to Paisley permanently.Up to my teenage yrs visits were exchanged and Ithink Duncan predeceaced Mabel.Ihad been told,wrongly apparently that Harry was given the middle name Oliver.Dont think Mabel and Duncan  had any further children. About Charles going to Canada.I don't think Mollie ever really kept in touch with any of her brothers.The only contact with Charles being through Olga and Vic who went over to visit Charles in the 1970s.According to Olga contact was lost altogether after that.I have not heard any mention of Charles ever coming back for a visit.Olgas archive may give details of where Charles was in Canada, as they even kept travel tickets etc. I will now trawl through my memory to recall the kids I knew  who were called Harrison to recall if I was distantly related to them...best wishes Phil

Hi Phil,

Previously, you had mentioned the unhappy first marriage of Mabel to a man called Harrison and their son Harry.

I've just been having a look through the records to try and piece some of the dates together - it creates quite a web.

There seems to be some transcription issues with the marriage record of Mabel although it very much looks like the correct record as there are not any other close matches:

Apr-May-Jun 1934
Elizabeth M Oliver and Smith W Harrison, Wharfedale Yorkshire West Riding

Then we find the following birth:

Name: Harry W Harrison
Mother's Maiden Surname: Oliver
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1935
Registration district: Leeds North
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding

It seems Mr Smith W Harrison was quite a character, from what I can gather he had 3 further marriages in the Wharfdale area:

Oct-Nov-Dec 1947
Lydia Cook or Bolton and Smith W Harrison, Wharfedale Yorkshire West Riding

Oct-Nov-Dec 1957 
Marion Sunderland and Smith W Harrison, Wharfedale Yorkshire West Riding

Apr-May-Jun 1963
Margaret Rodgers and Smith W Harrison , Wharfedale Yorkshire West Riding

Intriguingly, there are two births in the Wharfdale area for the surname Harrison with mothers maiden name Cook (see possible second marriage above)

Name: Michael W H Harrison
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cook
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1940
Registration district: Wharfedale, Yorkshire 

Name: Peter W H Harrison
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cook
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1942
Registration district: Wharfedale, Yorkshire 

Both include first middle initial W, the same as Harry Harrison - This got me wondering if these might be half brothers of Harry? (though they are quite a few years prior to the Cook/Harrison marriage)

As for Smith, the records seem to show him passing in 1991 aged 83 still in the North Yorks area.

Name: Smith Wharton Harrison
Birth Date: 15 Jun 1908
Date of Registration: Sep 1991
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Claro, North Yorkshire

It's difficult to be certain from records alone but I wonder if any of this brings any memories to the surface as to the accuracy of any of the above?

I can't find a marriage of Harry W Harrison, may be he married (if he married) in Scotland depending on when the family relocated to Paisley.

Thanks!
Shane

Hi shane. very pleasing to see your research re Gladys Brotherton.Once again seeing the printed word immediately brought to the surface things I had forgotten.The family link to wharfedale began about 1925/26 when mollie went into service at Scalebor Park then a very large mental hospital.Whether grannie Oliver found her this work or if it was an early streak of independence on her part I don't know.There were certain things she would not ever discuss.It cant have been long before Gladys followed and maybe Evelyn and Mabel.More about Mollie later but I will let you know all I know about Gladys.All the sisters were quiet and very shy ;Gladys to me seemed painfully shy .I don't think she and Ernest ever travelled far,certainly not to the extent that Olga and Vic Flack later did.Her daughter Gladys was abandoned by her husband with two small children. This sadness was compounded when her daughter Olga's first child Ian was born with downs syndrome and sadly he died aged about 8 or 9 {guessing here}.Being not far apart Mollie and Gladys were constantly visiting each other until my dad gave up driving.Ithink young Olga's husband Ronnie came from the North East and they may live there still.[guessing again ].In old age uncle Ernie slipped into dementia and was able to stay at home as young Ernest was still living with them. .When my mam and dad married the olivers travelled from Hartlepool. There are 2 photos of the wedding   .Evelyn and Gladys and an infant Olga[oliver]. Mabel was at home looking after christines dad Freddie and Charles..Christine now has these photos and may post them in the near future. mum wouldn't say why they married at burley rather than at home.Perhaps an independent streak again.Now my eldest brother tells me that among the 8  live births there was a stillborn Oliver child.He was told this by Evelyn on one of our frequent holidays in Scarborough.Again a wall of silence when he asked mum about it,but there is a larger than average gap in time between2 of the later children.Thanks for your kind wishes;unfortunately my wife Kathleen was in hospital recently with pneumonia and pleurisy and just got home yesterday.I am now looking into the origins of my dads dad who came to burley having been born in Romford.ore on this and bits about mollie later. with all good wishes. phil                                                               

Hi Chrstine,

Re: I will bring Dad's medal so you can see it first hand

Wow, that would be great, a real plus for the day, thanks!!

Shane

Hi Christine,

Re:  I have a copy of Olga's diary of her life with other family members, should I bring it to the family gathering Shane?

Yes please, that would absolutely be brilliant, I would love to see it - I plan to show the large family photograph you shared and mention the various lines down from Stephen that we have been traced etc

Also, I wonder if you have a photo of your Dads and/or George Williams medals? It would be nice to include a picture of those also.

Thanks,

Shane

 

Hi Chris. I dont know how far you would want to pursue details of your dads fatal accident, I had just left home at the time.As newspaper reports are obviously printed with what is known at the time they are rarely tell the whole story.Only relying on memory of what my mum told me later ,which must have after a formal inquest,or inquiry,a fuller picture emerged.You may already know these details and not wanted to bring them to this site. In a later message I can pass on to you what mum told me. I will certainly wait to hear from you first.   regards Phil

Shane ....That was an amazing find.Ididnt know that existed.It is not however the full story Olga put together. Her complete memoir was as comprehensive as vics.This looks to be a précis of a small part of it.... There was another cousin Harry Harrison ,Mabels son in her first marriage.He may have lived at W.Hartlepool while mabel was in uniform.Mabel eventually married Duncan  Mc Keller and from then on in paisley. Harry died in Paisley maybe as long ago as 20 years.his was one of the few family funerals I  was able to attend.im pretty confident he married as I met Winne who Ihad heard about previously but I do not know if he had any children.Also do not think Mabel had any other children.........Phil.

Hi shane. yes vic certainly was an RAF man.He and Olga both wrote their whole life memoirs in response to a BBC campaign for people to do this before their knowledge was lost.Vics episode on a convoy trying and failing to reach Malta from Egypt brings home to me all sacrifice of those sad years.My copy of Vic's story irecieved at the same time as Olgas.Iwonder if hers is somewhere on line as well.Christine also has acopy of this and im sure somehow eoither of us could get this to you.Her story includes excerts from George oliver's diary,with an un fortunate gap when he is writing about H49.Maybe he removed these himself before these were acquired by Olga.My mum's recollection were that as he grew older George became more and more upset remembering lost shipmates.He had spent several years on the china station and had served on Undine which was lost.he also lost many friends when Thetis went down with the equivalent of almost 2 full crews on board.He also lost more ex shipmates when Thetis,renamed Thunderbolt was finally lost with all hands. Sad memories for a man to have crowding in as he grew old. A lot of these reminiscences have also laid dormant in me since childhood and certainly bring a tear to my eye about people ,though related ,I hardly knew..regards  Phil

Thanks Christine, excellent that we're all correct now

Looking again at that terrific family photo at the top of this post it obviously includes the framed picture of their husband and father George William - I was just wondering to myself whether that picture still exists somewhere in the family? - still hanging proudly on someone's wall within the family line hopefully? Also, Christine shared one or two other pictures of Mary Ann, his wife, I wonder if there are others of George himself outthere somewhere to be found ... fingers crossed ..

 

And thanks for sharing the latest 'tank' picture Christine! Shane

Hi Phil,

Thanks, I'm sorry about that - thanks for the correct details, not pedantic at all, I certainly want it all to be correct - hopefully the below now looks better and accurate?

Thanks,
Shane

Hi Phil, Christine,

Your parents (Phil - Molly, Christine - Frederick) had a cousin Emma Nina, daughter of Stephen Oliver and his wife Emma. Emma Nina was born in Hartlepool in 1924 but aged 1 and a half she and her parents emigrated to Canada.

Emma Nina's daughter (who now lives in the US) has been kind enough so send me a photograph just this week of her grandparents - this morning I added it, and a picture montage of Emma Nina, into the Photo Gallery if you'd be interested to take a look.

Here is a small tree diagram showing how they fit together in the tree:

I also know that at least two other brothers, Frederick Emmanuel and Tom, also emigrated to the US, and also their sister Elizabeth. 

Thanks
Shane

Hi Phil,

Excuse me for butting in, I know your message was to Christine, though I just wanted to breifly point out that re: your comment Young Evelyn married Harry graham and has heather and a son whose name I don't recall, Heather actually also joined the messageboard here just a few weeks back, see this posting

http://oliverfamilyhistory.activeboard.com/t57793460/hello/

Thanks,
Shane

Very interesting to read the section from the book 'Beneath the Waves: A History of HM Submarine Losses 1904-1971' here about George and H49

Hello Shane,

Another cousin found, its amazing how the internet and websites like the OliverFamilyHistory can trace and recall family history in one place.  

Christine.

Hello Ancient Rowan,

I am the granddaughter of George and Mary Ann Oliver.  Frederick Emmanuel Oliver was the youngest, my father.  Nice to meet you.  I have some old pictures on this website of the family.  Uncle George of H49 was a constant visitor to our home.  Olga married Victor Flack both very recently passed away.  I have a picture of Harry Hume which Olga gave to me in her written diary.  Love to hear more about the family.  

just found this sit after visiting h49 submarine site. my name is phil hume,3rd and youngest son of mary ann[mollie].she was the oldest girl in the large Oliver family George being the first born.My eldest brother is now in his mid eightiesand a widower bears the Christian names George oliver.mums youngest sister olga late in life compiled a history of her life and times of which I have a copy.This contained many photos of her child hood and wartime military service.She was just atoddler at my parents wedding in Burley in Wharfedale.I have several photos ofmy uncle George in his naval uniform and a picure of Charles or Freddie aged about 8 in a sailor suit which survived into my childhhoood.also some photos of chas and Freddie serving together early in the war.will gladly give any info I can to anyone interested.

Hi Shane,

I have sent a message with the names, but it might be easier here,

the ladies in the picture are, from the left Olga, Gladys, Mary Ann (known as Molly) Mabel and Evelyn, I think this is the right way around.  Gladys and Mabel I never saw much of.  

I have attached a picture of 46 Errington Street Brotton Saltburn by the Sea West Yorkshire, this is the house where Mark Oliver my great grandfather, lived.  My grandfather George Wiliam was born in the house.  I found this information on FamilySearch.org which is free, on the 1911 Census.  There is still a mine at Brotton. 

Hi Christine,

I'm sooo sorry for the huge delay in posting, I'm sure you've probably figured all of this out now through your own research but never-the-less below is a little diagram to illustrate the next generation back from where you had detailed you had reached.

It's quite an interesting next generation also, as its back to Stephen Oliver, who is not only the one who moved from Oxfordshire to the north-west, but we have a picture of him, from 1870, and the picture is what I believe to be the earliest photo of any of our Oliver's.

So here its the tree diagram, and Stephen! 

Thanks for now,

Shane

Hi Christine,

A huge welcome to you, I'm so pleased you've found the messageboard here and joined in, thank you!

If you've not worked it out yet, the messageboard here is part of a bigger site all about research into 'our' Oliver roots, here is the link http://www.oliverfamilyhistory.co.uk/ .

Of note I think you will enjoy browsing the Picture Gallery or perhaps taking a look at the short videos from two recent family history days - in the four years since I've set up the website it's built into a really nice set of interesting information, hope you enjoy browsing.

Thanks so much for sharing that wonderful family photo, I love it - its been a little while since I looked into this branch so I'm just refreshing myself and will come back again.

I'm sure you'll quickly figure out that we're part of a huge Oliver Family tree, and one that we can trace back more than 300 years here in Oxfordshire - but certainly in the last 100 years the family has spread far and wide, to Canada, the US and Australia included - though more closer to home there are Oliver descendants also in your neck of the wood over there in Essex!

Ok, great to have linked up Christine, look forward to sharing more information!

Shane