Stephen Oliver and family - move to Yorkshire, Lancashire and onto Canada and US

Shane Bywaters · Guru

RE: Stephen Oliver and family - move to Yorkshire, Lancashire and onto Canada and US

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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127185566/elizabeth-b-turner

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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127197994/frederick-emmanuel-oliver

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James L. Williams (son of Ellen Ruth Williams nee Oliver)

B. 7 APR 1953, Wilkes-Barre
D. 11 AUG 2016, Danville

https://www.krinerfuneralhomes.com/obituary/James-Williams

James L. "Jim" Williams, age 63, 24 Spruce Street, Danville, died at 4:24 p. m. Thursday, August 11, 2016 at the Geisinger Medical Center, Danville. He had been in failing health for several years.

Born in Wilkes-Barre on April 7, 1953, he was the only child of the late Thomas J. and Ellen R. (Oliver) Williams. He resided in Danville since 2008 and previously resided in Bloomsburg for many years.

Jim was a 1971 graduate of Coughlin High School, Wilkes-Barre and received an associate degree from Luzerne Community College, Nanticoke, in December, 1973. He completed his education by graduating from Wilkes College, Wilkes-Barre, in December, 1975 with a B.S. degree in Commerce and Finance.

Jim was employed as a supervisor for 30 years by the McDonald franchises in Berwick, Mifflinville and Bloomsburg. He was also employed at the Perkins Restaurant, Buckhorn.

He was a member of Christ Memorial Episcopal Church, Danville, and while a resident of Bloomsburg, he was a member of St. Paul's Episcopal Church, where he served as a member of the Vestry for six years and sang in the choir. He was a member of a Masonic Lodge in Wilkes-Barre.

Jim enjoyed making stained glass windows and other items. He enjoyed skiing, traveling and spending time with his family and especially his dogs, Rylee and Maggie. His favorite Sunday activity was to do a random drive following Church with his family, with no special destination in mind.

He was preceded in death by a granddaughter, Mary Ellen Llewellyn.

Surviving are his wife, the former Margaret A. Conahan, with whom he observed his 11th wedding anniversary on April 2, 2016; four children: Jennifer Llewellyn; Jeffrey A. Llewellyn; Jessica S. Cooper, all of Danville; and Laura C., wife of Kyle Price, Browndale. He was the last member of his immediate family.

A Requiem Eucharist will be celebrated on Monday at 2 p. m. in Christ Memorial Episcopal Church, 120 E. Market St., Danville, with Rev. Nancy Shank, Rector of the church officiating.

Interment in New Rosemont Cemetery, Espy. There will be no viewing.

Memorials may sent to Christ Memorial Episcopal Church 120 E. Market St., Danville, PA 17821

Arrangements have been entrusted to the care of the Dean W. Kriner, Inc., Funeral Home, & Cremation Service, 325 Market St., Bloomsburg.

Shane Bywaters · Guru

Dorothy Catherine Austin nee Oliver

B. 7 AUG 1923, Pennsylvania, USA
D. 28 JAN 2015, Provincial Towers, Pennsylvania, USA

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/citizensvoice/obituary.aspx?n=dorothy-austin&pid=174002713&fhid=30406

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/dorothy-austin-obituary?pid=174002713

Dorothy Austin, 91, a resident of Provincial Towers, Wilkes-Barre, formerly of the East End section, died Wednesday, Jan. 28, 2015, in the Celtic Hospice Unit, Geisinger South Wilkes-Barre.

Mrs. Austin was born in Wilkes-Barre, daughter of the late Frederick and Elizabeth Borthwick Oliver. She was a graduate of Coughlin High School and Wilkes-Barre Business College.

She had been employed many years as a secretary by several insurance companies. Prior to her retirement, she had been secrectary for the late Wilkes-Barre Mayor John McGlynn.

Dorothy was a life member of the East End Primitive Methodist Church, Wilkes-Barre.

In addition to her parents, she was preceded in death by her husband, Thomas J. Austin Jr., on Christmas Day of 2008; brother, Fred Oliver; and sisters, Elizabeth Turner and Ellen Williams.

Surviving are her son, Thomas J. Austin III and his wife, Joan, Wilkes-Barre; grandchildren, Matthew Austin and his wife, Aimee, Dallas; and Rebecca Leonori and her husband, Steven, Scranton; great-grandchildren, Joshua and Sophia Leonori and Luke Austin; a niece and two nephews.

A private funeral service will be held at the convenience of the family from H. Merritt Hughes Funeral Home Inc., a Golden Rule Funeral Home, 451 N. Main St., Wilkes-Barre, with the Rev. Marty Garms, pastor, East End Primitive Methodist Church, Wilkes-Barre, officiating.

Interment will be in St. Mary's Cemetery, Hanover Township.

At her request, there will be no calling hours.

The family requests that flowers be omitted and that donations in Mrs. Austin's name be made to the East End Primitive Methodist Church, 79 Laurel St., Wilkes-Barre, PA 18702.

Published in Citizens' Voice on Jan. 29, 2015

Shane Bywaters · Guru

Obituary ...

Frederick Emmanuel Oliver

BIRTH 23 MAY 1885, Hartlepool, Durham, England
DEATH 3 FEB 1982 • Wilkes-Barre Township, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA

Shane Bywaters · Guru

Some details on what I believe to be the children of

Frederick Emmanuel Oliver

BIRTH 23 MAY 1885, Hartlepool, Durham, England
DEATH 3 FEB 1982 • Wilkes-Barre Township, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA

and

Elizabeth Borthwick

BIRTH 16 JAN 1890 • England
DEATH 20 MAR 1954 • Hanover, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA

1.

Frederick Oliver

B.30 NOV 1907, West Hartlepool, Durham, England
D. 6 JAN 1979m Wilkes Barre, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA

married, Irene Harriett Jones

B. 5 APR 1913 • Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania
D. JUNE 26, 2003 • Wilkes Barre, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA

2.

Elizabeth B Oliver

B. 8 NOVEMBER 1910, West Hartlepool, Co Durham, England.
D. 11 MARCH 1984 • Shavertown, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, USA

married, John William Turner

B. 23 DECEMBER 1907, Pottsville, Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania, USA
D. JULY 1978 • Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, USA

3.

Ellen Ruth Oliver

B. 8 JUN 1916, West Hartlepool, Durham, England
D. 24 DEC 1996, Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania, USA

married, Thomas James Williams

B. 19 NOV 1899, Talywain, Monmouthshire, Wales
D. 26 DEC 1980 • Wilkes Barre, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA

Son, James L. Williams

B. 7 APR 1953, Wilkes-Barre
D. 11 AUG 2016, Danville

4.

Dorothy Catherine Oliver

B. 7 AUG 1923, Pennsylvania, USA

D. 28 JAN 2015, Provincial Towers, Pennsylvania, USA

married, Thomas Austin

B. 11 FEBRUARY 1923 • Wilkes Barre, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, USA
D. 25 DEC 2008 • Wilkes Barre, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA

Shane Bywaters · Guru

Hi Floyd, oh wow, sorry to hear about your bladder cancer, really sorry, but pleased to read that you added things all seem to be better now, everything crossed for you that the outlook remains positive - you seem like a naturally optimistic and upbeat guy and I imgaine that kind of attitude can only have been a good thing help keep you focused and positive, good for you Floyd, sending my very best wishes to you!

Shane

Floyd (Tom) · Member

LOL !!! Here I am Shawn !! a direct descendant of Stephen ,

Floyd (Tom) · Member

Hi Shane

just finished a good hour reading about Stephen , if you want to match up the tree from Stephen and Warrior take a look at my tree , Tom (my grandad) Owen and Fred start the line and go on from there , Tom married into the Haswell family , sorry I have not been too active on the site but Bladder cancer took over and slowed me down, all is well now though (fingers crossed)

ancient rowman · Veteran Member

just referring back to Steven Oliver losing his wife and daughter to smallpox. I was a patient in the now closed Wharfedale Childrens Hospital between Burley and Menston when the last outbreak of smallpox occurred in 1961.I was in hospital often between 1957 and 1961.I was due to be discharged when this outbreak happened.We were in isolation for several weeks and as far as I can remember 2 patients there caught the disease., were taken away but happily recovered.Almost every week a parcel of books arrived from aunty Evelyn in Scarborough .Sadly everything we had was burned including clothes when it was all over.As kids im sure we didnt realise now serious it was at the time.

Shane Bywaters · Guru

In this thread we traced the emigration of Emma Nina Oliver (and her parents Stephen and Emma) from West Hartlepool to Canada in 1926. In 2013, aged 89 she passed away and below is her obituary.

Through her daughter, I was lucky about memories from throughout her life and plan to share some of these at the OFHD 2014.

http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Emma-Blois&lc=2433&pid=167871626&mid=5727428

Chris · Veteran Member

Hi, this is my father, he died in a vehicle accident in 1968 when I was 13. I have his Military Medal with the citation. His elder brother George was the sole survivor of the H49 Submarine in WWII and was a POW for the remainder of the War. He was awarded on Oak Leaf. George died in 1997.

Oh its great to fined the right Oliver's at last.

Christine

Witham Essex

Chris · Veteran Member

Hi, I would like to introduce myself, I am Christine Oliver, daughter to Frederick Emanuel Oliver of Bower Street Hartlepool. I have traced my father's tree up to Geporge William Oliver and Mary King and came across this website today on google just putting in my father's name. If you would like me to fill in the details of this side of the family I have some information. I will work through the information on this site from George and Mary Oliver of Hartleepool and fill in my details. I have started on Genes Reunited a tree and put some photos on.

Olga my father's older sister went to Canada to visit Charles in the 1980's but lost contact. I believe he died shortly after.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Barb Silvester · Senior Member

Hi Shane and Jane:

What incredible detective work by both of you...and in such a short time. I'm really impressed. It's hard to believe that a week ago there was little informtion on Frederick and his family and now so much is known. I'll definitely be watching this space to see if you find out anything else!

Barb

jane · Senior Member

It's amazing how one little extra clue about Frederick emigrating was enough to produce all that info. Great detective work, Shane!

I've just come across a useful collection of Wilkes-Barre almanacs: I can't see anything specific about the Olivers but there's masses of local history stuff there. For example, a search for "axle works" (which Frederick gives as his employer on the 1920 census) brings up many references to the Sheldon Axle Works, evidently a huge company.

The same site promises that details of "approx. 17,000 burials from the Wilkes-Barre City Cemetery" are 'coming soon'. Sounds like this might be useful.

In the meantime, the Social Security Death Index may fill in some info (at least if the Olivers stayed in Wilkes-Barre). Some possible sightings:

Frederick Oliver b. 30 Nov 1907, d. Jan 1971 Wilkes-Barre aged 71 (could be the Frederick whose birth was registered in the first quarter of 1908, Hartlepool district, and would fit with him being 3 on the 1911 census)

Frederick Oliver b. 23 May 1885, d.Feb 1982 Wilkes-Barre aged 96 (this could well be Frederick senior, since we know he was still alive when his brother Stephen died. If this is him then he outlived his son Frederick junior and almost made it to 100.

I can't see a death in Wilkes-Barre for Frederick senior's wife Elizabeth (but perhaps she died before the period covered by the SSDI.)

No sign of any Pennsylvania marriages on Ancestry etc., so it may be tricky to get married names for the three daughters of Frederick & Elizabeth; also at this stage don't know if Frederick junior got married. But those Wilkes-Barre cemetery records may reveal more.

-- Edited by jane on Friday 4th of February 2011 07:29:54 PM

Shane Bywaters · Guru

The story of this family continues to develop and another unexpected snippett of information has projected a new light onto another interesting branch.

This time its Frederick Emmanuel b.1884, elder brother of Stephen who we've seen emigrate to Canada.

Stephen Oliver died November 10 in MSA General Hospital. Funeral will be held today (November 14) at 1:30 p.m. from St. Matthews Anglican Church, Rev. Jack Major officiating. Burial follows at Musselwhite cemetery.

Mr. Oliver was born in Yorkshire, England 88 years ago. He lived in this area for seven years. He was a retired mill worker.

He is survived by his wife Emma Blois of Beaverton, Oregon; five grandchildren; three great-grandsons; one brother Fredrick Oliver of Pennsylvania and several nieces and nephews.

Abbotsford, Sumas & Matsqui News; November 14, 19

Okay the wife information is incorrect, but did you spot what I spotted?

He is survived by his wife Emma Blois of Beaverton, Oregon; five grandchildren; three great-grandsons; one brother Fredrick Oliver of Pennsylvania and several nieces and nephews

So, lets just go back again to where we had got to with Frederick, brother of Stephen. This was as far as the 1911 census:

So, at the time of the 1911 census, taken 2nd April 1911, both Frederick and his wife Elizabeth and their two children we're in West Hartlepool.

Stephen's obiturary states that in 1979 Frederick lives in Pennsylvania.

Well, what we can say with some certainty is that although the family were in West Hartlepool on April 2nd 2011 they were making plans for a life changing move.

So, lets have a look at the next 20 years for Frederick and his family an see what happens.

On the 16th May 1911 we firstly find Frederick leaving Liverpool bound for Boston, he is travelling alone aboard the RMS Franconia and arrives in Boston on the 24th May 1911.

The Passenger Arrivals record gives us some nice information:
- Frederick lived at 13 Bower Street, West Hartlepool
- His initial US destination is Central Falls, Rhode Island
- His point of contact is a friend, F Marshall, in Central Falls, Rhode Island
- He's 5.8 1/2, of fair complexion with fair hair and grey eyes

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This was quite usual for the husband to go ahead and establish foundations for the family.

On the 26th October 1911 we find Elizabeth and the two children leaving Liverpool bound for New York, they are travelling aboard the RMS Cedric and arrive in New York on the 4th November 1911.

The Passenger Arrivals record again gives us some nice information:
- This time we see that they are heading for Wilkes-Barre in Pennsylvania so Frederick must have relocated from Rhode Island down to Wilkes-Barre between May and November
- The address they lived at in Wilkes-Barre, at least initially, was 19 John Street
- Elizabeth is 5.2, of fair complexion with light brown hair and blue eyes
- The children at this time are just 4 and 9 months, any one with children will I'm sure agree that it must have been quite a journey for Elizabeth form West Hartlepool to Wilkes-Barre with a 4 year old and 9 month baby!

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And there you have within 7-8 months of the 1911 UK census the family having moved to Wilkes-Barre in Pennsylvania.

We can then look at the 1920 US census to try and locate the family. We can see that the family has grown with another daughter Ellen Ruth arriving in 1917.

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We can then also look at the 1930 US census and we can see that the family has grown again with another daughter Dorothy arriving in 1924.

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So, by 1930 the family has emigrated, has been in Wilkes-Barre for almost 20 years and looks as follows:

in 1930 the available US records start to reduce and the help of a current day descendant is really what we need.

Interesting though hey!
Thanks
Shane

Shane Bywaters · Guru

Hi All,

With huge thanks to the kind people at Abbotsford Genealogical Society, and specifically to Judy who has personally spent her own time assisting with my request, I'm really pleased to include the following photo's within this interesting thread.

We know that Stephen and Emma we born in the north east of England, that Stephen was of Oxfordshire roots and that in 1926 they set off with their 1 and a half year old daughter to a new life in Canada. Well, now we have the privilege of seeing their final resting spots and its surroundings at Abbotsford.

Thank you Judy, your assistance is truely appreciated by all of us with an interest in the Oliver family.

Shane

jane · Senior Member

What a sad story, Shane

This is an example of how one family's history mirrors what is going on at the national level, for towards the end of 1870 a smallpox epidemic had taken hold, which would become the worst for more than 30 years. It would last until 1872 and kill thousands upon thousands of people. 1871 was the grimmest year of the epidemic, with nearly 23,000 deaths from smallpox in England and Wales. It is terrible to think of all the devastated families behind the statistics.

Oxfordshire was one of the first counties to see the end of the epidemic, so it is sad to think that if Stephen's wife and family had stayed in Stonesfield for a little longer, they might have been spared their dreadful ordeal.

What a great achievement it was for medical science to eradicate this awful disease.

Jane

Shane Bywaters · Guru

Hi All,

I was curious as to the deaths of Stephen's first wife Ellen and thier youngest daughter Sarah which were both registered in the Apr-Jun quarter of 1872.

We know that leading up to this the 1871 census show's Ellen is with the 5 children in Stonesfield and Stephen has moved to North Yorkshire, I would guess to establish some foundations for the family to follow at a later day.

And clearly they did follow at somepoint in that following year as we find Ellen and Sarah's death's are registered in North Yorkshire.

I ordered death certificates and have received them this weekend.

We don't know why the family decided to move however we do know it was a fateful move for Ellen and Sarah.

The birth certificate's inform us that they both died of Variola, more commonly known as 'Smallpox'.

Ellen died on the 1st April, her death was registered on the 3rd April, the informant was Mary Ann Collins, and Ellen was 35 years of age.

Sarah died on the 6th April, her death was registered on the 8th April, the informant was her father Stephen, and Sarah was just 6 years of age.

Sarah's cause of death is detailed as 'Variola Confluens Pneumonia', looking this up the Confluens type appears to be a very severe type which perhaps led to the added complication of Pneumonia.

Reading about Smallpox it's a truely awful and horrendous disease and one that appears to have impacted thousands of families across the country and indeed the world.

It has now been completely eradicated in the 1970's through a mass vaccination - far to late for Ellen and Sarah.

Not a pleasant episode in this family's history I'm afraid.

Thanks,
Shane

Linda · Senior Member

Streatham seems to be a magnet to our Oliver's. Fanny Croxton and Hannah Jones (both daughters of James and Margaret Oliver) moved to Streatham and both were still living there in 1911. George William (eldest son of William Augustus) was living in Streatham with the family of Hannah Jones on the 1901 census.

More recently, a cousin of mine, also a descendant of William Augustus, moved from Oxford to London in the 1990's and bought a house, yes you've guessed, in Streatham. Even more spooky, I've recently discovered that it's in the next street to where Fanny Croxton lived.

I wonder if Emma knew she was living near her Oxfordshire relatives.

Linda

jane · Senior Member

Most puzzling indeed confuse

. If you search instead using 'Stonefield nr Woodstock' as the birthplace, Emma appears. So the transcript must be correct and include the word Woodstock.

The only explanation I can think of is that the two search services (though using the same data) are run from different servers and that the FindMyPast one has a different default search type on the birthplace and isn't looking at every word. I guess it would cut down considerably on search times if they only looked at the first word(s), just as Ancestry insists that you use at least 3 characters before a wildcard.

Perhaps you could test this by looking at the birthplaces of all six of the Emmas found by your first search, and seeing if the four who don't appear in FindMyPast have something in common. For example, is FindMyPast only finding the ones that say 'Woodstock, Oxfordshire/Oxon', and not the ones that say 'Oxfordshire/Oxon, Woodstock?' If so this is a serious flaw in this much-used database!

P.S. A search using birthplace *woodstock also finds Emma.

-- Edited by jane on Thursday 6th of January 2011 08:44:35 AM

Shane Bywaters · Guru

Stephen Oliver and family, move to Yorkshire, Lancashire

jane · Senior Member

At last I can get back to the library and back to Ancestry . . . which has an obituary (I think from The Oregonian, though I cannot find it now on The Oregonian's own website) of 15 Feb. 2007 for Ralph St Clair BLOIS, who had died on 12 Feb.; he had been born in Chilliwack, British Columbia, and married Emma Nina Oliver in 1946. In the 1950s they moved to the USA, first to Illinois but later to Portland, OR, and then to King City, OR. Ralph was survived by his wife, a son and four daughters (all of whose names are given), eight grandchildren, and two great-grandchildren. Another son, Reginald S. Blois, had died in 1946.

From this article about a choir from King City it looks like Emma Blois is still going strong. In Oregon at least, Stephen Oliver's genes continue to flourish...

jane · Senior Member

Thanks to volunteers from the Abbotsford Genealogical Society who've been working on recording monumental inscriptions, I can now add that Stephen Oliver (1891-1979) and his wife Emma are in adjacent plots at Musselwhite Cemetery, Abbotsford, British Columbia. See http://www.abbygs.ca/cemeteries.htm for details.

Linda · Senior Member

It's been fascinating watching this story about Stephen and his family unfold. What a shame nobody has 'claimed' this branch of the family yet.

Linda

Shane Bywaters · Guru

Hi Jane,

I agree, the pictures really do 'say' so much don't they about the life's of these people, long, hard, tiring, dirty, dangerous days I imagine.

Great find on Stephen and Emma - we're seeing more and more Oliver's transferring their lives to Canada aren't we, if the Oliver family is typical of most families the numbers of immigrants moving to Canada must be phenomenal.

I won't take this thread 'off piste' but it would be interesting to gather a consolidated view of the Oliver who moved to Canada, when they went, where they went, must be several descendants over there - we do of course know if one or two already.

But that's a whole other piece of work!

Thanks for now,
Shane

jane · Senior Member

What great photographs. They really bring home how hard our ancestors had to work physically: they would think us very weedy specimens, wouldn't they? Also they made me think about the impact we have had on our environment, with our urge to plunder all the precious minerals in it.

OK, time to stop philosophising and get back to the family history: I can now add a bit more about Mark Oliver's son Stephen (b.1891). He married Emma Russell in the Hartlepool district in 1922. A son Stephen C. Oliver died in infancy (b. and d.1923). A daughter Emma N. Oliver was born the following year. In 1926, Stephen Oliver, Emma and 1 year old Emma (whose middle name is revealed to be Nina) emigrated, arriving in Quebec on the 'Montrose'. I've not yet traced little Emma further, but her parents both lived long lives, Stephen dying in 1979 and his widow in 1985, both in Matsqui, British Columbia. The death index confirms Stephen's parents as Mark Oliver and Elizabeth Cowper so we can be sure this is the right Stephen.

-- Edited by jane on Monday 3rd of January 2011 06:15:23 PM

Shane Bywaters · Guru

I've just located a website with all kinds of fabulous old photographs from the East Cleveland Area. Included are photo's of people, places and industries from area's including Skinningrove and Brotton, specifically inclusing Iron Mining and the Iron/Steel Works.

http://ecol.org.uk/loftus/

Both tantalizing and frustrating - lots of faces and very few names, some of the people included in this thread could no doubt be there - amazing images though, they almost transport there the time.

Thanks
Shane

Here's just a sample:

jane · Senior Member

It's not all bad news, though: on a more positive note, Acting Corporal Frederick Emmanuel Oliver of the Durham Light Infantry was awarded the Military Medal (Supplement to the 'London Gazette', 12 April 1945) according to a website about awards to those serving with the Durham Light Infantry. Given his unusual name and that he was from West Hartlepool, surely he must be related to the Frederick Emmanuel Oliver in this family? I would have thought that the F.E.O. born in 1884 would be a little too old to be serving in the Second World War, though it could be him. However, perhaps more likely to be his son or even a grandson?

jane · Senior Member

I'm afraid that it looks as if Stephen Oliver's criminal tendency was not just a youthful aberration. Here's what sounds suspiciously like him, from a report in the 'Northern Echo' of 17 Sept 1879:

'A middle-aged man named Stephen Oliver, a miner at Messrs Bolckow and Vaughan's pit at North Skelton, was yesterday before the magistrates at Guisbrough on a charge of assaulting William Emmerson, a boy apparently not more than eight years of age, on Friday last. The defendant rents a garden at the back of a row of cottages at North Skelton, and observing the boy in it during the afternoon in question he ran after him with a gripe, and struck the little fellow a severe blow on the head with it as he was escaping over the hedge....'

(a dialect dictionary defines a gripe as an 'agricultural fork with sharp tines. Like a garden fork but more vicious.')

Stephen Oliver was fined £1 for this offence.

Then there's a case reported in the 'Middlesbrough Daily Gazette', 9 April 1880, under the heading 'Firing in Cleveland Mines' (a long report, only summarised here):
'At the Loftus Petty Sessions on Thursday Stephen Oliver and Jos. Richards, both miners, were charged by Wm. Anderson, manager of Messrs Bell Bros.' Cliff Mines, that they did unlawfully contravene one of the special rules . . . by firing a shot in a place likely to hole into another drift without satisfying themselves that no person was in the other drift.' Indeed there was someone else in the other drift, and one shot fired by the defendants 'seriously injured a young man named Stanton'. It was claimed they had not given any warning that they were about to fire the shot, but Oliver said that they had given the signal, 'but got no reply, so thought there was no one there.' The case was adjourned.

A later issue of the same paper (23 April 1880) reports that they were fined 14s. each, plus costs; this report also notes that these Cliff Mines were at Brotton, making it likely that this is 'our' Stephen Oliver. (As a postscript, the injured man had recovered enough to attend this second hearing.)

N.B. Brotton, New Skelton and Skinningrove were all very close together, as can be seen from this Google map

-- Edited by jane on Monday 3rd of January 2011 10:38:23 AM

-- Edited by jane on Monday 3rd of January 2011 10:52:55 AM

Shane Bywaters · Guru

Hi Jane,

Brilliant, looks like another good find there, thanks!

'Henry' not 'Harry' for this census then.

The age, location and occupation all look good, and although wrong, the birthplace is very similar.

Here's some screenshots from Ancestry:

You're right that the birth registration doesn't fall out of the records - there's a number of possibilities I guess, not least that he was baptised with one name but quickly adopted another? - sadly the transcripts we have access to onlyrun up to 1854 for Stonesfield so the absoluteproof is still with Stonesfield church - I could always work through those Olivers baptised in 1858, 1859, 1860 (Oxfordshire, Woodstock) and look to see if any don't appear in 1871 and don't have death records prior to 1871 - the lack of an 1861 census doesn't help here either!

I think I can update this line though...

Harry Oliver, b.1859, Stonesfield, Son of Stephen and Ellen
1881 - Not yet located

Thanks,
Shane

jane · Senior Member

Well done on all that research, Shane: the picture of this part of the family is really beginning to fill in nicely now.

I think I may have located Harry Oliver in the 1881 census. The FamilySearch transcript shows a 23 year old Henry Oliver, ironstone miner, lodging at the Gas House in Brotton, Yorkshire. His birthplace is given as "Stoneweller, Oxford". If you have access to Ancestry or Findmypast, perhaps you can check the census enumerator's book to see what whether it in fact says "Stonesfield" here.

The name Harry can be a nickname for Henry, and the two also look very similar when written down, so can be confused by transcribers. I have not yet identified a birth registration for Harry/Henry, so don't know which was his 'original' name.

Like you I cannot spot him in 1901 or 1911. Perhaps he had died before then? Or emigrated? Or else he has been garbled by transcription errors.

Shane Bywaters · Guru

As I was working the content in this thread I was capturing various notes about people, probably worth adding these in here to.

Thanks
Shane

Stephen Oliver, b.1833, Stonesfield, Son of Robert and Susannah

1841 - Aged 9, Unmarried, with Robert and Susanna, Stonesfield
1851 - Aged 19, Unmarried, with Robert and Susanna, Stonesfield, Ag Lab
1857 - Marriage to Ellen Hanks
1861 - Stonesfield Census Missing
1871 - Aged 39, Married, Lodger, Marske By The Sea, Yorkshire, Iron Stone Miner
1874 - Marriage to Margaret Warrior
1881 - Aged 49, with wife Margaret and 3 children, Skinningrove, Yorkshire, Iron Stone Miner
1891 - Aged 53, (incorrectly transcribed as Stephan) with wife Margaret and 1 child, Skinningrove, Yorkshire, Iron Stone Miner
1896 - Death, 3rd Quarter

Mark Oliver, b.1858, Stonesfield, Son of Stephen and Ellen

1861 - Stonesfield Census Missing
1871 - Aged 13, Unmarried, with mother Ellen, Stonesfield, Scholar
1879 - Marriage to Elizabeth Ann Cowper
1881 - Aged 23, with wife Elizabeth and 1 child, 46 Errington St, Brotton. Yorkshire, Iron Stone Tipper
1891 - Aged 33, with wife Elizabeth and 4 children, 23 Ings St, Brotton. Yorkshire, Iron Stone Tipper
1901 - Aged 45, (incorrectly transcribed as Mark Ellison) with wife Elizabeth and 8 children, 23 Cliff Terrace, West Hartlepool Durham, Labourer Iron Works
1911 - Aged 53, with wife Elizabeth and 5 children, 69 Studley Road West Hartlepool, Durham, Blast Furnace Tipping Slag

Harry Oliver, b.1859, Stonesfield, Son of Stephen and Ellen

1861 - Stonesfield Census Missing
1871 - Aged 12, Unmarried, with mother Ellen, Stonesfield, Scholar
1881 - Not yet located
1891 - Aged 33, Unmarried, Boarder, 288 West Street, Cornsay Colliery, Labourer at Colliery
1901 - Not yet located
1911 - Not yet located

Emma Oliver, b.1862, Stonesfield, Daughter of Stephen and Ellen

1871 - Aged 8, Unmarried, with mother Ellen, Stonesfield, Scholar
1881 - Aged 18, Unmarried, Domestic Servant for John Lumley, Grantley, Yorkshire
1891 - Aged 28, Unmarried, Domestic Nurse for James Pridham (Tea Dealer), Southfield Terrance, Stockton on Tees, Durham
1901 - Aged 39, Unmarried, Domestic Nurse for James Pridham (Tea Merchant), Bowesfield Lane, Stockton on Tees, Durham
1911 - Not yet located

Laura Oliver, b.1864, Stonesfield, Daughter of Stephen and Ellen

1871 - Aged 6, Unmarried, with mother Ellen, Stonesfield, Scholar
1881 - Aged 17, Unmarried, with father Stephen and Step mother Margaret, Skinningrove, Yorkshire
1891 - Aged 27, Unmarried, Domestic Servant for Robert Harland (Tea Dealer), Moorsholme Cum Girrick
1901 - Aged 38, Unmarried, Domestic Servant for William Smith (Inn Keeper, Queens Hotel), Saltburn By The Sea, Yorkshire
1904 - Marriage to Christopher Allemby
1911 - Aged 47, (incorrectly transcribed as Laura Allomby),Elbow Yard, Church Street, Whitby, Yorkshire

Sarah Oliver, b.1865, Stonesfield, Daughter of Stephen and Ellen

1871 - Aged 5, Unmarried, with mother Ellen, Stonesfield
1872 - Death Registration

Tom Oliver, b.1874, Brotton, Guisborough, Son of Stephen and Margaret

1881 - Aged 7, Unmarried, with father Stephen and mother Margaret, Skinningrove, Yorkshire
1891 - Aged 18, Unmarried, Farm Servant, Priestcroft Farm, Skelton, Yorkshire
1889 - Marriage to Elizabeth Emily Haswell
1901 - Aged 27, with wife Elizabeth and 1 child, Iron Stome Miner, 26 Chaloner Street, Guisborough, Yorkshire
1911 - Aged 37, with wife Elizabeth and 3 children, Iron Stome Miner, 29 Union St Guisborough, Guisborough, Yorkshire

Owen Oliver, b.1876, Brotton, Guisborough, Son of Stephen and Margaret

1881 - Aged 5, Unmarried, with father Stephen and mother Margaret, Guisborough, Yorkshire
1891 - Aged 15, Unmarried, General Domestic Servant, Seamer, Yorkshire
1901 - Aged 25, Unmarried, Boarder, Butchers Shop Assistant, 40 Carlisle Street, Blackburn
1901 - Marriage to Isabella Isherwood, Blackburn
1911 - Aged 35, with wife Isabella and 3 children, Shop Assistant Meat Trade, 64 Carlisle Street, Blackburn

Fred Oliver, b.1883, Brotton, Guisborough, Son of Stephen and Margaret

1891 - Aged 8, Unmarried, with father Stephen and mother Margaret, Skinningrove, Guisborough, Yorkshire
1901 - Aged 18, Unmarried, Boarder, Hermitage Lodge, Thirm, Yorkshire
1911 - Aged 28, Unmarried, Boarder, North Eastern Railway Constable, 28 Goodwin St Hull, Yorkshire

Shane Bywaters · Guru

Hi Jane,

re:
Possible sighting of Stephen's daughter Laura Oliver:
There is a 47 year old Laura "Allomby" (born Stonesfield) in the Whitby area in 1911, and a possible marriage in the Guisbro' district in 1904 for Laura Oliver and Christopher ALLENBY.

Another piece of the jigsaw, maybe?

Brilliant, looks to be a very good spot that entry for Laura.

Age, birth location and marriage location all fit well.

The 1911 census entry raises a couple of questions/gives a couple of clues though - more digging required as to who the 2 children with her are, the first of which records no relationship.

Interestingly, Laura's husband appears to be 17 years younger.

So another piece of the jigsaw, certainly appears so! - thanks Jane

Thanks
Shane

Shane Bywaters · Guru

By the time of the 1911 census a number of Stephen's Grandchildren can be found starting their own next generations of Olivers.

1 - George William, b.1881, son of Mark and Elizabeth, m. Mary Ann King 1903

Here is George's own family:

Here are the family in 1911:

2 - Frederick Emmanuel, b.1884, son of Mark and Elizabeth, m. Elizabeth Borthwick 1907

Here is Fred's own family:

Here are the family in 1911:

3 - Thomas, b.1884, son of Mark and Elizabeth, m. Ellen Horne 1910

Here is Thomas's own family:

Here are the Thomas and Ellen in 1911:

George William and Frederick can be found living as neighbours at 141 Studley Road W Hartlepool, 142 Studley Road West Hartlepool in 1911, Thomas not far away at 13 Bower S West Hartlepool.

All involved in local industries, Blast Furness Labourer's and a Steel smelter.

There are quite a number of Oliver's in Hartlepool by this time.

Thanks,
Shane

jane · Senior Member

Possible sighting of Stephen's daughter Laura Oliver:
There is a 47 year old Laura "Allomby" (born Stonesfield) in the Whitby area in 1911, and a possible marriage in the Guisbro' district in 1904 for Laura Oliver and Christopher ALLENBY.

Another piece of the jigsaw, maybe?

jane · Senior Member

I see from the 1881 census that Stephen worked as an ironstone miner in Yorkshire, as his son Tom would later do. This is a good example of someone moving a long distance but staying in the same line of work, for of course Stephen's birthplace in Stonesfield is famous for its "slate" mines and there was ironstone in Oxfordshire, including some at Fawler (see this article from Deddington Online).

Given that some of his children were born in Brotton, it seems likely that he may have worked at the Brotton ironstone mine, which opened in the 1860s.

What a treat is in store for Stephen's descendants to discover that there's a photograph of him!

Shane Bywaters · Guru

Stephen Oliver and family - move to Yorkshire, Lancashire and onto Canada and US